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That’s true. Roads are counter intuitive especially for highly urbanised areas. Rapid mass transit systems are essential in cities and urban areas.
The paradox applies to public mass transit as well, the better you make it the more it’s used. The paradox is redundant because of course if you make a form of travel easier more people will use it, that’s not a bad thing.
@@saltyballsthe3rd Exactly this paradox only proves that you always need to improve your infrastructure.
Besides we need to start 3D infrastructure. For once Musk was onto something but it still needs more planning. I saw a couple months back a bunch of architects and urban planners talking about sky bridges. Sky bridges are the opposite of Musks tunnels.
In the end both hint at arcologies.
this is a known issue in every field, problems are just shifted around, because needs grow, and with growing needs, problems reappear.
@@saltyballsthe3rddifference is that mass transit doesnt slow down the more its used😊
‘I’m hoping they’re a death metal band.’ 😂
If I ever join a death metal band I’m naming it that
I got more a prog rock vibe myself
Didn’t they open for Cannibal Corpse?
Yeah, that’s what it said in the video
When she said that I almost spit my coffee out on my computer 😂
This reminds me of how every time a shopping centre’s insides are improved and a bit more car park is added, there ends up being less parking than before because everybody from near and far flocks to it.
Yeah, but the opposite, if no-one goes? Then the community dies and everyone just orders off Ebay and amazon. No local money at all. Everything collapses.
@@NigelTolley ideal would be to get rid of shopping centre with massive parking and have shops and grocers etc in the cities at walkable or bikable distances from people living there right?
That paradox is merely the equivalent of “expenditure rises to meet income” in a household budget.
Traffic rises until travel times are the same for car, bicycle, train, etc. As long as car is faster than train, people will add more cars to the road. To get car travel faster, increase train speed and frequency (and capacity) until people start switching to train
Actually, the solution is road privatisation and tolls (and transit privatisation in general). I don’t mean government-controlled “privatisation” where the government sells a protected monopoly to the highest bidder, but actually getting rid of the governments control over the sector altogether.
@@BrotherCreamy And use the funds to subsidise public transport infrastructure/running, clever.
@@BrotherCreamyThere still has to be some central payment system to avoid toll booths on every piece of road and traffic congestion because of that. Which would result in monopoly again. And probably there would be a big company that would buy everything out resulting in monopoly again.
Real estate is privately owned, but that does not make it affordable for general people. I’m afraid the same thing would happen to the roads. That is if I understand your idea correctly
It’s called induced demand as well. Same thing happens when you improve efficiency of a house. People will run the AC more
Good consultant, decent urbanist
This is like the least realistic consultation ever”
“You don’t look happy”
@@KevwePatani unrealistic paid bull consultant, good urbanist anyway
No, actually. Too many people think that traffic (avoiding congestion) is everything, whereas the real purpose of a transport infrastructure is to get people from one place to another, which wasn’t being measured at all. Bad consultant, bad urbanist.
@TimothyWhiteheadzm Yeah, having unrealistic urban planners ruins my comedy shows too! 😂😉
@@TimothyWhiteheadzm well the consultant is just doing his job
Telling the government office whether their idea is a good one. They almost did a good job too, should have left it at 3 years, now they ain’t gonna get hired no more
its actually the Downs-Thomson Paradox , the Jevons Paradox is similar but an exact one relating to road use is the Downs-Thomson paradox. I actually learnt about these cause i watched this short lol educational jokes are the best
For anyone wondering what it all actually means, it is this; You upgrade a road to add a lane, at first the people that currently use it see a decline in travel time since there is an extra lane.
Over time GPS, word of mouth and things like the news spread the word that this new road decreases travel time, no one cares to bother to know why, or how much less travel time.
Like in the video it could be just 2 minutes either way, but everyone just goes on about how it is faster, so now everyone watching Twitter and the news and using a GPS will end up flocking to this road.
Now that everyone is on said road the extra lane does nothing, it’s not enough for the extra people and it gets worse.
It happened with the Monash Freeway here in Melbourne, they added a lane, it got worse, they added ANOTHER lane, it got a little better.
And when they were doing their first upgrades, at times I was finding it faster to travel off the freeway, that was until this effect took place again, and more people started going alternate routes.
It still happens in my area, during peak I will go the back streets or get stuck in a 200 metre line of single lane traffic all trying to turn right with people cutting through a roundabout from a left turn only lane and almost causing an accident every time and going the backstreets if vastly quicker.
The idea is to upgrade and plan for 500 years into the future and that’s not exaggerating, upgrading to make the road better for the current users just makes it faster for other people to join in until it is not.
They need to plan to upgrade the freeway AND all the surrounding infrastructure in a 50km radius. Removing roundabouts, adding extra lanes all around the area, give people alternate choices that are also now faster.
A freeway upgrade needs to have the entire localised area upgraded to match to allow traffic into and out of the freeway to move.
It’s like adding an extra lane for an entire freeway, but bottle necking people into one lane at the end with a roundabout that goes into single lane streets, where is everyone going to go?
@@akaraven66under rated comment rights there
@@akaraven66 most of the increased flow is coming from other routes though, so its hardly of no overall benefit. While there will be some net increase from the new capacity, it would be relatively small, and natural growth would be dominant over time.
So if you completely overkill the infrastructure to begin with, to absorb all rhe capacity it could possibly take plus many years more, you will overcome the effect
Induced demand!
Sure, it’s the roundabouts, not the bad drivers making illegal turns…
Yup. That is why mass public transit is always the way to go for big cities.
They are still talking about removing cars from Melbourne City, just taxis, Uber, buses and the likes. Get people to use transport so the traffic flow into and out of the city is better for public transport.
This way they can add more bus routes, more trams, whatever other options, allow people maybe to bike more and get foot traffic flowing better.
Because driving in the city can sometimes be a nightmare and certainly slower than just walking and catching a train.
When I used to drive to the city I would park in the residential area down near the beach and bike up next to the tram line past the casino into the city, I saved so much time just not dealing with being in the CBD and finding parking, I would come off the Westgate and never have to deal with bumper to bumper traffic, it was great.
It will be for poor people,rich would just pay money and drive
AND bicycle lanes, that are a real winner for all!
@@pradhyudh Not if you make it illegal and threaten to take away their license and vehicle away.
Money fine always hits the most just the poor folks while giving the rich the way to break the law. Which is why you need to make it extra punishing.
Make an area where cars are not allowed, only pedestrians, bikes and mass transit – everyone caught with a car in it the first time gets their license taken away and forced to re-do the exam. Second time, both the license and the car get taken. Third time, off to prison with you.
I mean, if you want the law to be respected by all classes, that’s how you structure the punishment.
@@Wustenfuchs109Sounds like Communism.
That’s why you do public transit.
Aaaaand, sell your state to the CCP. Daniel Andrews Daniel Andrews Daniel Andrews. All the money spent on infa-sructur and the trains don’t run.
One more lane bro I promise it will fix traffic
That’s exactly what Dallas, Texas thought. 😂
@@mbryson2899Houston too, and it will soon happen to Austin
But thats true it will fix traffic. The problem is one road goes on one hwy. Thats not how you fix it. You make more hwys. Not more bandaids. This example would show that instead of one hwy causing an hour of waiting in traffic, we would effectively still decrease the eait time by 15 minutes. So yes the evidence shows we just need more hwys. Not more tiny roads.
@@juaecheverria0so you’re in favour of doing what government did in the 60s but at a larger scale?
demolishing entire cities and communities and hundreds of thousands of homes just so you don’t have to use a train?
@@juaecheverria0 But more highways means more demand for travel. LA thought the same thing with more highways. Now they’ve got a dozen highways thru the metro area and it’s still as congested as ever. Yes, more people will get accessible travel. But congestion will NOT improve.
That’s the intersection of Flemington Rd, Elizabeth St and Royal Parade in inner city Melbourne (Parkville). And they’re doing roadworks on it right now…
I recently stayed in Melbourne right next to that intersection and it is bonkers, especially to me from little old Adelaide.
The roadworks are specifically to build the new “super tram stop” before Parkville Station opens
What’s happening? I fortunately haven’t had to drive through there in a number of years PLEASE tell me there’s grade separation
I n d u c e d D e m a n d. First time I’ve seen this portrayed on film did a decent job. I was worried they weren’t gonna go and show it until he started showing the modeling as the years progressed. Great job
Induced demand, caused by the fact that the road is untolled
@@BrotherCreamy try getting toll roads approved when most of the voting council members’ job security depends on their constituents NOT paying tolls
It’s like ppl have never heard if public transit. Trains are like cars but they are allot less ineffective
@@tiny_3819 I wonder why trains don’t have induced demand
Induced demand is not a bad thing. When you build new infrastructure you expect more people to begin using it.
This is not a bad thing.
The city of Houston will ignore this
All of the US ignores this. They’ve sold their souls to the automobile manufacturers.
We’ve been on roads in LA with seven lanes in each direction, with other roads running in parallel. Hideous.
Just one more lane bro
But Houston & San Antonio are fundamentally is better than most… a wagon wheel: concentric rings and spokes for controlled access overlaid onto a grid for low speed roads.
Sprawl is another culprit, forces folks to use already clogged streets.
@@jasonbrecht8572Only if you don’t have local goods and services, not to mention a safe, reliable and convenient public transport and streets.
Stop building “strodes”, giving favors to big box stores and all Big Corp.
Build mixed use neighborhoods with mid to low speed streets with small diverse commercial use (maybe mixed use building like old towns) around residential cells with low and mid density mixed, with PROHIBITED HOA, dedicated bike lanes (not for everyone, specially the elderly or service people) without being close to heavy and fast traffic, trams connecting neighborhoods, wide pleasant sidewalks on streets and stores, limited parking spaces (at most 1/3 of current planning), schools, clinics, even hospitals, etc.
Enforce neighborhood policing, public transport and proximity policing, neighborhood watch, surveilance cameras, NO GUN FREE ZONES!
@@davidmorgan6896I believe the Katy freeway in Houston is still one of the biggest in the US. It was for sure the biggest a few years ago, but some other city might have been dumb enough to top it.
Just one more lane, bro. This will fix it, bro, I swear bro. Just give me one more lane.
Making road engineers sound like cra@ckheads, hilarious 😂…
Actually, this paradox can be exploited by artificially obstructing central parts of the city and inventivising the traffic to redistribute with a wider spread in the city. So it’s possible to make it better by making it worse.
Sure if you wanna not just widen the road but also basically destroy and rebuild the whole city. This increases the costs several fold, 300 billion before trillion now. You know that’s third of entire African gdp and you wanna use it to fix traffic in one city
@@Protont last time i checked bollards dont cost trillions
@@beatboy6690 and the short said it would cost 300 billion dollars
Indeed the M74 was finished to take congestion off the M8 and it worked for a few years. But now both motorways have the problem, not just one.
The lamentations of thousands of Cities Skylines players were heard watching this video.
Freaking dying!!!!! I told myself the same lie in CS…and this exact result happens every time! 😂
For real. Every time I’m like “I’m going to look up the most efficient road systems and implement them so traffic is not a problem” it all ends in bumper to bumper eventually. I know way more than I should about urban development than a security guard has any business know now but my roads still end up trashed in the city centers. Even if I play with unlimited money and build the perfect road network from the start it still doesn’t work out. Trains are a must.
No enough roundabouts in the world
@@keenansisson211same, I know more about city planning than I know about my current job.
@@Doomscrolledq aw😊
“What else are we supposed to do?”
“Build a public transport system with less reliance on the roads for a fraction of the cost”
“…What else are we supposed to do?”
Don’t you mean “for 10x the cost”?
build train tracks
Bring back the cable cars.
@@PvblivsAelivs I see you too know 1+1=11
Public transport has the exact same problem. the better it is, the more people use it.
As someone who use to live on a two lane road before they widened it…. widening increases traffic and accidents and now a 5 minute distance is now a 15 minute distance. And its a lot uglier since they took out all the woods around here to make that happen.
Lemme guess: they widened your road, but not the roads it led to?
They’re doing it here in Florida. Butchering everything.
@backhand_boris yeah highway 98 is just construction now and don’t get me started on sand destin all the trees our gone
@crookedmonkey6 there’s a special place in hell for these developers.
That’s a real shame pal.
TRAINS!!! WE ALL WANT TRAINS!!!!
Nah. Only weird youtube communists want trains
@@richardballs8618 Describe Communism and then explain how it relates to wanting trains lol
@@contentity
The same way owning a car relates to individualists. You know he’s right, let’s not be pedantic;)
Eh, I moved away from them. Happier with my car
@@alclay8689 I think I’d be happier if I could get a decent job outside of the city and then not have to worry about either trains or traffic. Traffic is annoying, but it’d have to get 2x worse before it’s as bad as catching a train in Melbourne to go anywhere but the city centre. So, basically, encourage companies to move further out somehow? I dunno, lol.
I cant express just how accurate this series is, this is exactly how many projects are run (by a load of coffee drinking morons) in government and academic organisations here in Australia.
Look at MANY other countries around the world and it appears that MANY, MANY cities are infected with policy makers that have ” no clue” , they are just convinced that THEIR idea is best and will work. SAD part is that their FAILURES are paid for with TAX dollars or whatever form of money that particular place uses !
What is the name of the series? I know it says Utopia, but when I google search it, I get results for some other Utopia series that seems to be about a group of people and some cult manuscript they find??
@@tom2point0 the name of the series IS “Utopia”. Id recommend going through IMDb as opposed to google 🙂
Well if smarter and more efficient people are willing to take the job they should do so.
@@tom2point0 Try Utopia (Australian TV series)